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    <description>A video games podcast where Dave Jackson and guests break down and discuss the games they play. Each episode looks at one game in depth, focusing on mechanics, story, music and other aspects, with no spoilers until a clearly marked spoiler wall in the middle. 
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  <title>174: Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 (with Michael Higham)</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Dave is joined by Michael Higham to discuss Sandfall Interactive's 2025 debut RPG, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>*Spoiler section includes some spoilers for key moments and/or themes in Nier Automata, Persona 5 Royal and Metaphor ReFantazio. 
Support my work on Patreon (https://patreon.com/realdavejackson)
Join the Tales from the Backlog Discord server! (https://discord.gg/bptGyEWbk7)
Buy me a coffee on Ko-fi (https://ko-fi.com/realdavejackson)!
Once or twice a year, a game will hook me so strongly that not only can I not stop playing it, I can't stop thinking about it. If it's not the constant pull to get back on the sticks and play, it was the constant pull to think about the story. Sandfall Interactive caught lightning in a bottle with their debut game, and I couldn't wait to have this conversation and share it all with you. 
Guest info: Michael Higham 
* Read Michael's review of Expedition 33 https://www.ign.com/articles/clair-obscur-expedition-33-review
* Follow Michael on BlueSky https://bsky.app/profile/brazyazn.bsky.social
TIMESTAMPS
* 0:00 Title Card
* 0:42 Intros
* 6:25 Personal Histories with Expedition 33
* 9:31 Opening Thoughts about Expedition 33
* 13:12 Story Setup/Worldbuilding/A Strong Story Hook
* 24:15 Cast of Characters
* 31:29 Overview of Themes
* 39:55 Comic Relief in a Bleak Story
* 45:15 Music/Presentation
* 1:03:02 Combat- Dodging and Parrying, Difficulty
* 1:14:57 Combat- Offense and Character Building
* 1:28:28 Closing Thoughts/Recommendations
* 1:36:28 Michael's Work at IGN
* 1:39:37 SPOILER WALL/Patron Thank-You's
* 1:41:20 Spoiler Section- What's Happening?
* 2:07:28 Spoiler Section- Endings and Interpretations
* 2:39:13 Spoiler Section- Optional Bosses, More Thoughts, "For Those Who Come After"
Music used in the episode:
* Alicia (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier)
* Lumière (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier)
* Gustave (Lorien Testard)
* World Map- In Lumière's Name (Lorien Testard)
* Une vie à t'aimer (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier, Victor Borba)
* Our Painted Family (Lorien Testard)
* We Lost (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier, Victor Borba)
* Verso (Music Box) (Lorien Testard)
* Is It a Gestral or a Volleyball? (Lorien Testard)
You can purchase the soundtrack here: https://lacedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/clair-obscur-expedition-33-original-soundtrack
Social Media:
BlueSky (https://bsky.app/profile/tftblpod.bsky.social)
Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/talesfromthebacklog/)
Cover art by Jack Allen- find him at https://linktr.ee/JackAllenCaricatures
Listen to A Top 3 Podcast on Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-top-3-podcast/id1555269504), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/2euGp3pWi7Hy1c6fmY526O?si=0ebcb770618c460c) and other podcast platforms (atop3podcast.fireside.fm)!  
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    <![CDATA[<p>*Spoiler section includes some spoilers for key moments and/or themes in Nier Automata, Persona 5 Royal and Metaphor ReFantazio. </p>

<p><a href="https://patreon.com/realdavejackson" rel="nofollow">Support my work on Patreon</a><br>
<a href="https://discord.gg/bptGyEWbk7" rel="nofollow">Join the Tales from the Backlog Discord server!</a><br>
<a href="https://ko-fi.com/realdavejackson" rel="nofollow">Buy me a coffee on Ko-fi</a>!</p>

<p>Once or twice a year, a game will hook me so strongly that not only can I not stop playing it, I can&#39;t stop thinking about it. If it&#39;s not the constant pull to get back on the sticks and play, it was the constant pull to think about the story. Sandfall Interactive caught lightning in a bottle with their debut game, and I couldn&#39;t wait to have this conversation and share it all with you. </p>

<p><strong>Guest info: Michael Higham</strong> </p>

<ul>
<li>Read Michael&#39;s review of Expedition 33 <a href="https://www.ign.com/articles/clair-obscur-expedition-33-review" rel="nofollow">https://www.ign.com/articles/clair-obscur-expedition-33-review</a></li>
<li>Follow Michael on BlueSky <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/brazyazn.bsky.social" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/brazyazn.bsky.social</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>TIMESTAMPS</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>0:00 Title Card</li>
<li>0:42 Intros</li>
<li>6:25 Personal Histories with Expedition 33</li>
<li>9:31 Opening Thoughts about Expedition 33</li>
<li>13:12 Story Setup/Worldbuilding/A Strong Story Hook</li>
<li>24:15 Cast of Characters</li>
<li>31:29 Overview of Themes</li>
<li>39:55 Comic Relief in a Bleak Story</li>
<li>45:15 Music/Presentation</li>
<li>1:03:02 Combat- Dodging and Parrying, Difficulty</li>
<li>1:14:57 Combat- Offense and Character Building</li>
<li>1:28:28 Closing Thoughts/Recommendations</li>
<li>1:36:28 Michael&#39;s Work at IGN</li>
<li>1:39:37 SPOILER WALL/Patron Thank-You&#39;s</li>
<li>1:41:20 Spoiler Section- What&#39;s Happening?</li>
<li>2:07:28 Spoiler Section- Endings and Interpretations</li>
<li>2:39:13 Spoiler Section- Optional Bosses, More Thoughts, &quot;For Those Who Come After&quot;</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Music used in the episode:</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Alicia (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier)</li>
<li>Lumière (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier)</li>
<li>Gustave (Lorien Testard)</li>
<li>World Map- In Lumière&#39;s Name (Lorien Testard)</li>
<li>Une vie à t&#39;aimer (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier, Victor Borba)</li>
<li>Our Painted Family (Lorien Testard)</li>
<li>We Lost (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier, Victor Borba)</li>
<li>Verso (Music Box) (Lorien Testard)</li>
<li>Is It a Gestral or a Volleyball? (Lorien Testard)</li>
</ul>

<p>You can purchase the soundtrack here: <a href="https://lacedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/clair-obscur-expedition-33-original-soundtrack" rel="nofollow">https://lacedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/clair-obscur-expedition-33-original-soundtrack</a></p>

<p><strong>Social Media:</strong><br>
<a href="https://bsky.app/profile/tftblpod.bsky.social" rel="nofollow">BlueSky</a><br>
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/talesfromthebacklog/" rel="nofollow">Instagram</a><br>
<strong>Cover art</strong> by Jack Allen- find him at <a href="https://linktr.ee/JackAllenCaricatures" rel="nofollow">https://linktr.ee/JackAllenCaricatures</a></p>

<p>Listen to <strong>A Top 3 Podcast</strong> on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-top-3-podcast/id1555269504" rel="nofollow">Apple</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2euGp3pWi7Hy1c6fmY526O?si=0ebcb770618c460c" rel="nofollow">Spotify</a> and [other podcast platforms](atop3podcast.fireside.fm)! </p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/realdavejackson">Support Tales from the Backlog</a></p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>*Spoiler section includes some spoilers for key moments and/or themes in Nier Automata, Persona 5 Royal and Metaphor ReFantazio. </p>

<p><a href="https://patreon.com/realdavejackson" rel="nofollow">Support my work on Patreon</a><br>
<a href="https://discord.gg/bptGyEWbk7" rel="nofollow">Join the Tales from the Backlog Discord server!</a><br>
<a href="https://ko-fi.com/realdavejackson" rel="nofollow">Buy me a coffee on Ko-fi</a>!</p>

<p>Once or twice a year, a game will hook me so strongly that not only can I not stop playing it, I can&#39;t stop thinking about it. If it&#39;s not the constant pull to get back on the sticks and play, it was the constant pull to think about the story. Sandfall Interactive caught lightning in a bottle with their debut game, and I couldn&#39;t wait to have this conversation and share it all with you. </p>

<p><strong>Guest info: Michael Higham</strong> </p>

<ul>
<li>Read Michael&#39;s review of Expedition 33 <a href="https://www.ign.com/articles/clair-obscur-expedition-33-review" rel="nofollow">https://www.ign.com/articles/clair-obscur-expedition-33-review</a></li>
<li>Follow Michael on BlueSky <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/brazyazn.bsky.social" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/brazyazn.bsky.social</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>TIMESTAMPS</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>0:00 Title Card</li>
<li>0:42 Intros</li>
<li>6:25 Personal Histories with Expedition 33</li>
<li>9:31 Opening Thoughts about Expedition 33</li>
<li>13:12 Story Setup/Worldbuilding/A Strong Story Hook</li>
<li>24:15 Cast of Characters</li>
<li>31:29 Overview of Themes</li>
<li>39:55 Comic Relief in a Bleak Story</li>
<li>45:15 Music/Presentation</li>
<li>1:03:02 Combat- Dodging and Parrying, Difficulty</li>
<li>1:14:57 Combat- Offense and Character Building</li>
<li>1:28:28 Closing Thoughts/Recommendations</li>
<li>1:36:28 Michael&#39;s Work at IGN</li>
<li>1:39:37 SPOILER WALL/Patron Thank-You&#39;s</li>
<li>1:41:20 Spoiler Section- What&#39;s Happening?</li>
<li>2:07:28 Spoiler Section- Endings and Interpretations</li>
<li>2:39:13 Spoiler Section- Optional Bosses, More Thoughts, &quot;For Those Who Come After&quot;</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Music used in the episode:</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Alicia (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier)</li>
<li>Lumière (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier)</li>
<li>Gustave (Lorien Testard)</li>
<li>World Map- In Lumière&#39;s Name (Lorien Testard)</li>
<li>Une vie à t&#39;aimer (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier, Victor Borba)</li>
<li>Our Painted Family (Lorien Testard)</li>
<li>We Lost (Lorien Testard, Alice Duport-Percier, Victor Borba)</li>
<li>Verso (Music Box) (Lorien Testard)</li>
<li>Is It a Gestral or a Volleyball? (Lorien Testard)</li>
</ul>

<p>You can purchase the soundtrack here: <a href="https://lacedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/clair-obscur-expedition-33-original-soundtrack" rel="nofollow">https://lacedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/clair-obscur-expedition-33-original-soundtrack</a></p>

<p><strong>Social Media:</strong><br>
<a href="https://bsky.app/profile/tftblpod.bsky.social" rel="nofollow">BlueSky</a><br>
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/talesfromthebacklog/" rel="nofollow">Instagram</a><br>
<strong>Cover art</strong> by Jack Allen- find him at <a href="https://linktr.ee/JackAllenCaricatures" rel="nofollow">https://linktr.ee/JackAllenCaricatures</a></p>

<p>Listen to <strong>A Top 3 Podcast</strong> on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-top-3-podcast/id1555269504" rel="nofollow">Apple</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2euGp3pWi7Hy1c6fmY526O?si=0ebcb770618c460c" rel="nofollow">Spotify</a> and [other podcast platforms](atop3podcast.fireside.fm)! </p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/realdavejackson">Support Tales from the Backlog</a></p>]]>
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